Life Beside Christ
Life Beside Christ
Steak Faux Pas, Life Alerts, and Wrestling with Faith | Ft. David Hays
Ever found yourself applying ketchup to a steak and stopped to wonder about the culinary sins you might be committing? Join us as we chew over life's big questions with a generous side of humor and a helping of faith. This episode is a rollercoaster ride through the trials of camping mishaps and the tribulations of using Life Alert as a punchline after a fall. It's the sort of heartfelt banter you can expect when David Hays, drops by again to share more of his wisdom and wit as we dig into everything from food preferences to the proper pronunciation of 'blessed.'
It's not all laughs, though—the heart of our discussion takes a more serious, reflective turn as we grapple with interpreting divorce in the eyes of Christianity, guided by David's seasoned perspective. The conversation broadens to the importance of understanding the Bible's historical context, and we ponder whether its teachings should be applied literally or more contextually in our modern lives. We also touch on the influence of media portrayals like 'The Chosen' on our understanding of scriptural figures, ensuring our discussion is as nourishing for the soul as it is for the mind.
Finally, we tackle the elephant in the room—gatekeeping in Christianity. The episode culminates with a crucial exploration of what it means to create a welcoming church community, balancing scriptural integrity with the open arms of acceptance. We don't shy away from discussing the challenges of 'woke pastors' and the push-and-pull between tradition and progression in our faith. So, whether you're wrestling with spiritual questions or just need a good laugh about life's hiccups, pull up a chair to our table for an episode that promises to feed your curiosity and perhaps light a spark of deeper reflection.
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•Intro/Outro Music: "Our Days" by David Hays
Welcome back to the Life Beside Christ podcast. I'm your host, brady Hayes, and I'm taking over the show. Go for it. No, I don't have much to talk about. I was drug here against my will and I'm just here to get my paycheck Nice.
Speaker 2:I'd love to know when that's coming in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think we're seeing one in our lifetime. You can contact us with any questions, gripes, raving reviews at lifebesidechristpod at gmailcom. That's checked off the list, that way you guys won't talk. Oh, I guess we should mention we have a guest. Yeah, the return. Yeah, it's not really a guest anymore.
Speaker 4:It's still a guest.
Speaker 1:More of a pest.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that could be true.
Speaker 1:Our father, David Hayes.
Speaker 4:But you're going to go into the Lord's thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Before we get too far, I kind of want to apologize for the last episode If you listened to it and you've listened to anything else from us, but especially that last episode. I apologize and thank you for listening, but I we at least.
Speaker 1:I feel like it was pretty lackluster study of the bible yeah, it's really just such a downturn from our high rating podcast before that.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I just feel like it was boring as a listener. Probably, um, we're not gonna read straight from, or try not to read straight from, the Bible, and then to the buddy, this buddy, this Bible study, and then that be it. Hopefully we are able to talk about it more, um, and change it up a little bit, because I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it. Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1:I have not thought a single second about our last podcast, but that's why you're the uh owner, uh engineer, ceo of this podcast. Uh, one real quick thing about the last podcast. Zoe and I just wanted to thank everybody who has reached out and continued to pray for our family. We did get more news recently. I don't know if it's good news, but it is news, so we could use the continued prayers. If people can spare them, we really appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Carter is here. You guys want to talk about me as being cheaters?
Speaker 1:What no, you can talk about whatever you had.
Speaker 2:First I was going to say Carter's not saying anything yet, but he is here, I'm here. I'm proud to be here too, oh, we've not recorded since our camping trip.
Speaker 3:Oh no, we have not. Oh, we've not recorded since our camping trip. Oh no, we have not. Oh no, we went camping, boys. It was probably the worst camping I've ever done, but it was a good time, so bad. We learned a lot, I'll tell you that much. We don't speed anymore, right, okay, we're going to walk through this whole thing.
Speaker 2:You fill in where you think? I'm wrong, but you're probably wrong, not me uh, yeah, okay so maybe I'll just have a hard time remembering the order of events. So it started off my sister. She had two, obviously two twins. Um, you don't have multiple twins, they're called something you have one.
Speaker 2:So she had four kids, she had twins okay, uh, last winter or this past winter, um, they're in the middle of moving. They have a dog. She needed some help, so she asked if I could keep her dog for a little bit and so I asked carter, hey, I gotta go up to iowa, maybe we turn this into a camping trip while going up there to pick up um scar, my sister's dog. This is what? Late march, like the last week of march, so it's still wintry temperatures, I guess, like early spring obviously, and we're going. We got this planned out. We're gonna drive up saturday, come back sunday. Well, the first thing that happened was I got a game rescheduled for that saturday we were supposed to leave, so now we're already leaving, like five, six hours after we had planned to leave.
Speaker 2:Then we're going. We are like we need some firewood. We didn't have any. We didn't take any firewood with us. So we stop in Hannibal, listen to some crazy woman yell at a bunch of high schoolers about chickens not being where they're supposed to, or something like this, at 8 o'clock at night on a Saturday and I'm like what in the world? So we're watching this and they're like oh yeah, you guys can just go get your firewood, it's out back somewhere. We walked the whole perimeter of this Buckeyes our farm at home, looking for firewood, couldn't find it. Two dudes come out. We finally find it. It's on the complete opposite side of the building a parking lot. We get going, we're driving, we get to, we're driving. On the highway it's 70 in, well, I guess be coming up from missouri into iowa. Once you get into I though, it dropped to 65. Well, I just had my cruise set to about 71, maybe 72. Allegedly 71. It was not higher than 72.
Speaker 1:Okay, so 7 over the speed limit.
Speaker 2:I had it just set on 70 and we're just talking when we get into.
Speaker 3:Iowa. I had it set on 70. Mitch was speeding and then he's upset.
Speaker 2:I'm going 6, maybe seven over I guess, and I get pulled over by a state trooper. I'm like this is just going horribly. It's 930. It's pitch black out already. We have no idea. We haven't even been to this campsite before. We don't even know if they're open because we couldn't book anything online. Then we finally get there. We're driving through the middle of absolutely nowhere. I didn't I, we just he gave us a little warning and we got on our way. Um, we get to the campsite. It was the sketchiest thing ever at 10 o'clock at night to be like there with no one else.
Speaker 2:And we find the campsite that we had kind of picked out, start getting set up. We'd like do the self-registration. We start getting set up tents and everything, get a fire going first. Fire's going. We're setting up our tents and we're like what is that noise? It's so weird. We look at each other and we're like is that coming from the fire? I don't know what made me think because I've never heard it before. I was like are there baby rabbits in the fire pit? Carter's like dude, no way. He's like that's exactly what it is. We're digging through the fire, moving the logs out of the way. There they were exactly what it is.
Speaker 3:So we're digging through the fire moving the logs out of the way and we definitely killed three rabbits.
Speaker 1:I didn't think you were going to talk about rabbit murder on the podcast.
Speaker 2:It was just a horrible chain of events and it just felt worse in the moment.
Speaker 3:It gets funny.
Speaker 4:And then the Lord took them home.
Speaker 2:It was just ridiculous. We were like we're going to end up dying out here tonight and that's going to be how it ends.
Speaker 3:Good thing the campsite was real flat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was real flat and it definitely didn't start raining or snowing at all.
Speaker 3:That was a good time.
Speaker 2:Want to get down to like 25 that night or something.
Speaker 3:It was pretty cold.
Speaker 1:See, that brings me to my idea. I've been watching a lot of Naked and Afraid.
Speaker 3:Okay, alright.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna go to Dad's property and we're gonna do Underwear and Uncomfortable. There's gonna be three grown men.
Speaker 4:Dad's face. I will definitely be uncomfortable If you're out there and you're annoyed. We're like we're. There's going to be three grown men Dad's face, I will definitely be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:We're just hunting dad's goats. We're so lucky to get this today.
Speaker 4:Thank you, goat, thank you for your life.
Speaker 3:It's been two hours.
Speaker 1:I'm starving. I still have my belly. I just needed this goat. That's going to be on YouTube.
Speaker 3:The.
Speaker 1:Life.
Speaker 2:Beside Christ.
Speaker 1:YouTube channel.
Speaker 2:That would be so funny.
Speaker 1:I've never seen a man go on to a podcast and talk about how he committed a crime, how he was definitely guilty and how he's upset that he got a ticket? I didn't get a ticket. Did you believe?
Speaker 3:got a ticket. I didn't get a ticket. Did you believe that? Oh?
Speaker 2:you didn't get a ticket, it was the hair.
Speaker 1:They thought you were.
Speaker 2:No, just a warning. It was a quick stop.
Speaker 3:His hands were shaking.
Speaker 2:I was. I was like dude, I don't think I'll get a ticket but, I'm like Are you find my insurance card? I couldn't find the updated insurance I was like dude no way that this is gonna happen.
Speaker 3:I can't do a podcast with a guy that's it wasn't that bad it wasn't that bad, but it's probably half that bad it was.
Speaker 2:Definitely it was more of like it was more of just like anger, it wasn't nervousness yeah, he was gonna beat up the state no, just how the whole day had gone and everything. I'm like this is just perfect, this is great.
Speaker 3:And I was just like it wasn't adrenaline, I was so angry.
Speaker 1:he was shaking and I got off the warning because the guy thought he was terrified of cops.
Speaker 4:The cop thought he was having withdrawals.
Speaker 1:He looks like it Easy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we're going back this weekend. Yeah, we decided to do it again.
Speaker 2:So we'll update you on the next one how this one took a turn.
Speaker 1:Anything else. Our guest is here, even though he just just battling through a severe injury. We're lucky, he's an athlete.
Speaker 4:I suffered a severe injury, missed my elbow oh, you actually did missed my elbow, up my knee. Worse, it was bad fell I mean straight knee plant into the oil and chip pavement it's one of those falls.
Speaker 4:When you get to my age, you fall at first like I just died just for a second. I'm dead. No, I'm not dead. That really hurt. It's not that bad. Now get up. People are seeing you here in the street and it stung so bad like a jellyfish sting so I peed on it. That wasn't on purpose, I just peed a little bit when.
Speaker 3:I hit the pavement so hard you get to my age that happens.
Speaker 4:And then you get up and you kind of laugh at yourself.
Speaker 1:Tries to mow his first yard of the year and ends up on a Life Alert commercial.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so Brady's wife sends me a text and says so for your birthday Life Alert. Do you want the necklace or the bracelet? I said well, the yell that I let out. I should have the tiara.
Speaker 1:I bet it that oil I mean falling just hurts in general, but that oil and chip or a little bit of gravel.
Speaker 4:Well, I didn't just fall, I didn't just trip and fall. I fell off of a retaining wall that was poorly built, that collapsed under me. So I was. This isn't going to sound like much, but I was three feet above the pavement, three feet.
Speaker 1:It's like one Madeline.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so it's a relative thing. At two years old, three feet is a long way, and at my age, three feet is a long way.
Speaker 1:It's like a yeah, in the middle there you're like three feet, that's nothing.
Speaker 4:But on both ends of the spectrum. When you just learn to live, it's a long way, and when you're just learning to die, it's a long way.
Speaker 1:You should sue the owner. I really should.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, do you want to? I think we've got an email or two from Nemo, an email or two from our frequent emailer, and then we want to check those out.
Speaker 1:Let me pull that up. It's been so long I forgot yeah. Yeah, it's been so long I forgot um, yeah, oh, okay, so I'll give you his answers and corrections to his questions.
Speaker 2:So is it okay? Oh yeah okay, uh.
Speaker 1:so there's like seven questions from an emailer and you know exactly who it is and we answered them on the last podcast. I want to know what you think. Is it okay to have ketchup with steak?
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, no.
Speaker 4:So ketchup was invented as a steak sauce. But nobody older than the age of three eats ketchup.
Speaker 1:No, self-respecting man uh, yeah, I using ketchup on steak is insane. Also, barbecue on steak is an insane thing.
Speaker 4:I will do it if the steak has been like cremated yeah like it's just and I'm I'm still gonna choke it down, but I will use some, any sauce it could be mayonnaise water, yeah anything you know, bourbon, whatever to get the steak down, because I'm not throwing it away, but the emailer said only if you need something to cover up a poorly cooked steak.
Speaker 1:So very similar answer. How should steak be cooked? Well done, medium rare, medium rare, all that all that uh my.
Speaker 4:My preferred is medium, but I can eat anywhere from, as a friend of mine used to say, a good vet could save it all the way to the cremated with ketchup, but medium would be my preferred.
Speaker 1:Did you have something, Keith?
Speaker 2:No, I just don't know how much it's picking up that far, oh, so you need a scooted place or anything.
Speaker 4:Oh, am I too far away here.
Speaker 1:Did you hear that sound as he pulled? That was actually dad's neck. Back to the chiropractor. He said medium rare to medium well is acceptable, which I agree. We were talking about how you, when you order what's the safest bet? And I said medium because medium well is okay, medium rare is okay, but if you go medium well, then you're going to definitely end up with a dried out garbage steak which the ladies at the table might like I don't know. Oh, zoe, we spend a lot of time making fun of you in our house.
Speaker 2:Thanks.
Speaker 1:What was it in a Sancho that you don't like?
Speaker 3:Was it the lettuce? It was lettuce, you mean the thing that's flavorless.
Speaker 4:There's only three things in it Lettuce cheese and ground beef.
Speaker 2:Take that lettuce out of there.
Speaker 1:Hey, do you want a Sancho? What's in it? Meat cheese lettuce.
Speaker 4:They have chicken fingers at tacos.
Speaker 1:It's basically meat, cheese and crunch yeah, that's all the lettuce brings is crunch yeah, unflavored crunch, and he, oh well freaks me out, yeah, whatever oh, that's another thing, though.
Speaker 2:We recently just used to say in zoe we recently uh broke free of a temporary ban.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yes.
Speaker 2:Maybe we can come back to it. Let's finish this and then come back to it Pineapple on pizza.
Speaker 1:Is that acceptable?
Speaker 4:No, that's ridiculous. I mean, unless it's a. You know, they have those dessert pizzas like a fruit pizza, but a real baked pizza you don't put fruit. I mean that's meat and veggies.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't like veggies, but I love pineapple on pizza, I'll bust it up. You'll bust up anything that's free Help in the needy.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying it hasn't been done and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it. I'm just saying that they shouldn't like it and it shouldn't be done.
Speaker 1:Milk chocolate or dark chocolate or white chocolate, if you're some kind of weirdo.
Speaker 4:All but dark chocolate is definitely the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I disagree, but that's what the emailer also says.
Speaker 4:Yes, and this emailer that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I often sneak into his office and steal dark chocolate. Yeah, it was when we shared an office. If he left for the day, it was a real battle not to get that chocolate Dry rub or barbecue sauce on ribs.
Speaker 4:Well, both. So I like dry rub brought to the table, but I like barbecue sauce on the side. I like to add my own sauce. I hate when they bring me ribs because they always over-sauce them. And it's a sloppy mess. I want to taste the pork, not necessarily straight barbecue sauce, so dry rub, and then bring me sauce that I can put on Yep, completely agree.
Speaker 1:I'll choose sauce over a dry rub any day. Also, barbecue sauce is acceptable on about anything which is insane. This one, I thought of you last podcast. What goes on a hot dog?
Speaker 4:Mustard goes on a hot dog and sweet relish, not dill relish that your mother always bought. Why does she buy dill?
Speaker 3:relish. She gets it every time.
Speaker 4:Put a pickle on it and call it Chicago style. It's sweet relish, if any, and mustard. If you put ketchup on a hot dog, you have to be an infant. That's the only acceptable people that can put ketchup on a hot dog. I just don't. You're supposed to grow out of things.
Speaker 1:Like poop in your pants which you're headed back to.
Speaker 4:You grow out, you grow back in Three feet, is scary at two and it's scary at 55. Paul said that you're not. He had to feed Christians milk because they weren't ready for solid food. But you get there, you should get there. And so Paul should have said I feed you hot dogs with ketchup because you're not ready for a man's hot dog mustard. And relish.
Speaker 1:So he kind of agrees, except this is wild.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 1:Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 4:That's what I was thinking. Yeah, and Clint Eastwood, that's what I was thinking. If you want to know why, then watch the movie Dirty Harry and Clint Eastwood will explain it.
Speaker 1:Nobody, and I mean nobody, puts ketchup on hot dogs. He put his in order of preference one sauerkraut, two mustard, oh no, one sauerkraut and mustard, two mustard and relish, three mustard only. So he agrees no ketchup, but I'm a plain hot dog guy, or with ketchup.
Speaker 2:I think Carter has something to admit after the last podcast.
Speaker 3:I thought I admitted it.
Speaker 1:You put barbecue on a hot dog and you thought it tasted good. That's disgusting.
Speaker 3:No, I said it wasn't bad.
Speaker 2:No, you said.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I was like, yeah, this is good.
Speaker 2:You're like you know what. You're actually kind of right that's what she said.
Speaker 4:You know what's good. So my brother-in-law and I went back before he was my brother-in-law, we were friends. We would put Miracle Whip on our hot dog, or the best is the horseradish sauce. Put that on a hot dog. I'm with Brady. I can go plain hot dog if I have a soft bun that I can smush.
Speaker 3:That's in tin foil.
Speaker 2:From a ballpark.
Speaker 4:It's still warm. That's a man's dog right there.
Speaker 3:That is a man's dog.
Speaker 4:I can get nothing on my shirt Straight bread and meat.
Speaker 1:And look at the way I'm holding this and I might beat you with it if you get too close.
Speaker 4:I'm not getting no ketchup on my fingers anything in the side of my mouth.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 4:A friend of mine and I just had this conversation not too long ago. Used to be, when I was growing up, you didn't have to ask these questions because every dad was the same. They all wore the same clothes. Nobody wore an undershirt, you wore your shirt.
Speaker 1:I'd be wearing undershirts pulling those boobs a little bit.
Speaker 4:Dads wore the same pants, jeans, the same shirts, blue work shirts and the same shoes. They all.
Speaker 1:Same era monarchs.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, no, no. Tennis shoes, leather boots were still in style for manly footwear.
Speaker 2:That was good, so no.
Speaker 4:Crocs? No. This friend of mine told the story that they decided to buy their dad a pair of tennis shoes one time and they got him a pair of Velcro, double Velcro, from.
Speaker 3:Payless.
Speaker 4:And he said those things went straight in the closet and collected dust until they threw them away. Because if you had a dad in the 70s, he could have been anybody's dad. He had the same opinions, same work ethic, the same way he dressed, the same. Come over, it's just the way it was. Now you don't know, you could have the MSNBC dad, you could have the Fox News.
Speaker 3:Dad, you don't know.
Speaker 1:That's true. Final question propane or charcoal grill?
Speaker 4:Oh for flavor. It's definitely charcoal grill, but I like the taste of meat Hank Hill style.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where I get my grilling from yeah.
Speaker 4:so propane and propane accessories would be the ultimate. But I'm not against charcoal. The flavor definitely is there. It's just for the effort it's not worth it.
Speaker 1:I agree. The final one on this email is he wrapped it up with. Also, my opinion is that none of you should hesitate to ask for prayers. Part of our duties as Christians is to pray for others, so if there's a need, don't hesitate to ask, as I was asking. I know it, but there's still something that's like yeah, it feels weird um, that's also a guy thing, I think yeah yeah, it's a we.
Speaker 4:We guys in general struggle to ask for help, whether it's opening that dill pickle relish, yeah jar, you know. Or for prayers, or for, uh you know, maybe you need a little extra cash. Well, you're not gonna ask.
Speaker 1:I'd rather go rob a liquor store than ask somebody to give me money yeah, yeah, it's just the way we are uh, and then, real quick, I'll just read through this one real quick. Um, okay, so blessed is only one syllable and I don't know why we try to make it two syllables. We were discussing for some reason, if you're reading from the bible or you're in church, it's blessed yeah, well, in the beatitudes it's blessed okay.
Speaker 4:So if you've seen the life of Brian, you know that Jesus said blessed are the cheesemakers. Yeah, he didn't say that, but that's what the crowd heard because they were so far away. So, yeah, when you read the Beatitudes you say blessed. Blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are those who mourn. But I get what they're saying. I disagree. It depends on the context. I'm blessed to be here. I'm not blessed to be here, but if a blessing is bestowed upon me, I am blessed, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, that's fair. Church is the only time it is ever pronounced with two syllables. Can you think of any other short word that ends in S-S-E-D that is routinely pronounced as two syllables? I sure can't. And on a similar note, heaven is two syllables and it really annoys me when singing a hymn or other church song that they think they can make it one syllable just by removing the E and adding an apostrophe Heaven.
Speaker 3:That's country music.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you do. I can't think of any other S-S-E-D words, any short ones, supposed, you know, supposed, supposed, mm-hmm, but yeah. I mean there are some I, me and the. Is this the same?
Speaker 1:email Separate.
Speaker 4:Separate email Same emailer though he and I will have to politely disagree and make fun of each other over that.
Speaker 1:Second one on this email, when you mentioned people taking a drink with food in their mouth. All I can think about is when I've seen little kid with a sippy cup and their liquid is all chunky from food in their mouth. So thanks for grossing me out. I agree, it's one of the I so I don't know if you listen to the most recent, but one of my complaints was people who so take a bite of your hot dog and before you've chewed it up and swallowed it, you add some water or something in your mouth and that just that doesn't surprise me, because I've seen you suck air so many times while trying to eat something hot.
Speaker 4:just take a drink. That's how much I hate it. Yeah, all right, so I'm. I'm not against the adding a little liquids, but again, as you get older, maybe the jowls don't juice as well as they used to, so you need that added liquid to swallow. But the other thing I would say about the sippy cup and the chunkiness that is one way it's not the only way One way to know either how good a friend you are or how much you love someone. If you will share a drink without wiping the top of the bottle off, then you love that person. If you'll take a drink out of a bottle of soda with their chunk of pretzel in it, I might not love anybody.
Speaker 4:I will drink my soda. I will share my well, not soda, but tea with Madeline. And if there's some cottage cheese in it, that's Madeline's cottage cheese, I'll have some of that because I love that little girl. See, that's one way. It's not the only way to show you love her, but that's one way. I'm not wiping the top of the bottle off speaking of Keith will love this.
Speaker 1:I thought I'm not wiping the top of the bottle off. Speaking of Keith, I love this. I thought I was gonna be late today because somebody had chocolate milk and this giant cup Carter got her for Christmas. She dropped it on her toe, so that's a meltdown which I get. Smashing your toe hurts, so I go to pick her up. Well, she doesn't like being comforted by me. Zoe picks her up, she gets through it. She's still kind of crying, back to me, starts bawling again, throws up cold chocolate milk on me. That's how quick it was, because this child cannot. If she's crying, she's throwing up, which is a funny thought if she's like 18 years old she gets an F on a paper throws up.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I thought I was going to be late for that, but yeah, I wanted to share that. Oh no, there's two more. I was excited to talk about the last one because I think it's funny. But yeah, I wanted to share that. Oh no, there's two more. I was excited to talk about the last one because I think it's funny. He says use Carmex like a real man and stop painting your lips with a cute little Vaseline container like it's finger paint.
Speaker 3:You got some more to add, bro.
Speaker 1:I need it, I'm all chapped up and I forgot my cute little Vaseline.
Speaker 4:I agree, I like Carmex yeah the flavor of Carmex, but I don't like carrying it around when I see a man put a little tin of. Carmex out of his pocket. What?
Speaker 2:do you mean? I know I get it, I understand that, but I don't.
Speaker 4:And then purse his lips and go to work here's my thing.
Speaker 2:And then purse his lips here's my thing. What if your son reaches across the table to your other son and car mixes his?
Speaker 3:lips with his finger what you can't help a homie out. Yeah, dude, what would you say? That's real love brother.
Speaker 4:That is basically, if I see that it's the same as he reached across and kissed his brother in the eye.
Speaker 4:It's all love, it may be love. Here's my thing. As you guys know, I spent tons of time with my grandparents, and so my grandfathers were very influential in my life. Influential in my life I never, not one time, seen either grandfather get near their lips with chapstick, carmex, vaseline. The only thing near their lips was pipe, chewing, tobacco, beer, iced tea, food real things for real men. And so when I see guys do something like that, it's like, yeah, my grandpa would have made fun of that you know those boys are going behind the barn and yeah hey esther, when you're out at the iga, don't let the boys see, but get me some carmex would you?
Speaker 4:yeah, not happening. They had doan's pills for back aches because they worked hard. That was about as far as it went.
Speaker 1:Well, it's either that or it's full-on. Cannibalize yourself and eat your lip. Which one you prefer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's what you do.
Speaker 2:I can't remember the last time I've used any kind of chapstick.
Speaker 3:Well, once again, it's a game. There's a difference.
Speaker 4:There's a difference here. Get out of here. There's a difference. There's a difference here.
Speaker 2:Get out of here.
Speaker 3:I'm like you.
Speaker 1:He must have some Macedonian in him. Yeah we lost him. They just stopped by Puddle to get a little mud. Here's what you do.
Speaker 4:If your lips are chapped and it's bothering you and you want to stay manly, eat some fried chicken.
Speaker 3:Put that chicken grease on there.
Speaker 4:That'll moisturize In a masculine, toxic, masculine way where you don't have to get this little tin. That's what bugs me. If it came in like the size of a car wax, you know and you had the big applicator, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. That little bitty and they take it out and their their body heat, and it's in the summer and it's it's goopy and it's like, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:and they're smacking their lips together in front of everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I uh so I got made fun of at a wedding because I'm like we were. I had chapstick on me and it was the carmix tube and I put it on and I asked the woman beside me I'm like, why is it so bad as a man? Why does it feel so wrong to rub that, that chapstick, on your lips? And then, uh, the I think I know what makes it so bad is the next thing you do you rub them together get that off yeah it's the face you make when you're putting it on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I will say that putting it on your finger and putting it on your lips is better than the two, that's exactly right. We've all seen Bugs Bunny, the girl. Bugs Bunny, you know when he's dressed up like a woman and put the lipstick on.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:It's just wrong. It's just hard to watch. It's disappointing. It's just wrong. It's hard to watch. It's disappointing.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying if you see something, say something and help somebody, because if you got your brother next to you chapped lips, you'd dap him up with the Vaseline.
Speaker 4:You'd hit him with it. Well, you know how you cure chapped lips. You go out there to the goat pen and grab him by the tail and just kiss him right under the tail. Oh God, huh, that's right.
Speaker 1:Your grandpas are so manly.
Speaker 4:And then you do that, you won't lick your lips anymore, and they won't be all chapped.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's fair.
Speaker 2:I'll just paint them, you'll have to give it a try on them If you've got problems.
Speaker 1:go ahead, Goats are out there uh, okay, and then finally I need all. I didn't mean finally like, oh, it's taking forever. Just so you know, anonymous emailer, just kind of like a.
Speaker 1:It's a wrap up yeah, we got you okay uh, lastly I need all your opinions on this one when brady opens up the podcast and as his voice is fairly quiet and subdued, it makes me think of Parks and Rec when they're on Pawnee Public Radio for the Thought, for your Thoughts segment. So that's the NPR like radio the voice. We're back here. It's nasally, I think.
Speaker 4:You did better tonight. You were fired up coming in. Did you do that on purpose because of that.
Speaker 1:No, I forgot about that. I like to mix it up every once in a while.
Speaker 2:Well, last episode you were a little somber.
Speaker 1:Was it because of classes, classes. Yeah, I'm not somber now, baby.
Speaker 2:We got one week left, are you done? I finish up tonight, sweet baby. We got one week left, are you done?
Speaker 1:I finish up tonight College graduate.
Speaker 4:There'll be two in the room.
Speaker 3:You're never going to bed tonight, I actually got school in the morning.
Speaker 2:I got to go to bed.
Speaker 3:He's got to put on his sweatpants, shorts tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I got to go teach PE. What are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 3:tomorrow. I got one o'clock appointment with the concrete you fell. I'll tell you what?
Speaker 2:yeah, he'll be up in 1230 yeah well, before we jump in, try not to waste too much of our time here with David. But we said we revisit it. Do you want to explain our ban on the Brady and Zoe Hayes?
Speaker 3:household.
Speaker 1:Two-week suspension.
Speaker 3:How long have you guys had the house? Four years, in July so about four years, every night I've been to Brady and Zoe's house and that's just what I do. I just show up. Sometimes they got some food, some ice cream for me and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Well, not for you. They got it for themselves. No, it's not for me.
Speaker 3:I just show up and start eating stuff, and so I don't know how it came about.
Speaker 2:So Zoe was finishing up tax season and Carter and I are there the Sunday before what, so the 14th, the day before tax day or whatever it is, and so Zoe's done with, like, her tax season and we're there on that Sunday. Hey Zoe, how do you do this? Yeah.
Speaker 1:For like three hours.
Speaker 3:That's so horrible and so she's like this is enough.
Speaker 2:She's like you guys are going to have to, like you're not allowed to, and I was like what Like come here for two more weeks? She's like yeah, that's exactly it?
Speaker 3:Who would say that? Who puts that in her head Like, yeah, we should probably not show up for two weeks? What?
Speaker 2:It didn't affect me quite as hard as it affected Carter Dude. I stayed here for the next week. Carter was slumming on my couch like a lost puppy.
Speaker 3:I didn't know what to do. He was lost.
Speaker 4:I see.
Speaker 2:Boys were depressed. It's like Carter, you've got a bed at home.
Speaker 3:It's so cold out there.
Speaker 4:There's nothing worse than being alone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, quit bringing that stuff up, brother Dang.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been lifted. I got it lifted a couple days early.
Speaker 2:Let's go, we're back. We're back with the boys.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, we're good to go.
Speaker 3:Okay, now we can start. All right, you want to start Carter?
Speaker 1:Well, you guys want to explain how we switched up our Bible study methods.
Speaker 2:Yeah like we kind of said at the beginning.
Speaker 2:I think, like I was saying, I don't think and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to speak for you if you disagree, but I don't think us three are well-versed enough in the Bible to give like a line by line commentary for it, and I kind of feel like that.
Speaker 2:That's what at least I was trying to kind of force last episode, because I was like well, the Beatitudes, a lot of people kind of know them, so maybe it's important that we go through each one, and I it was just kind of bad, I think. So my thought was hey, maybe we should like pick stuff out that we could maybe relate to and talk about and have more of a conversation as we go about it. So we probably aren't going to go through each chapter as fully as we maybe kind of have been a little bit, but each of us kind of having something pulled out from that chapter that we're going through to talk about and maybe connect to something that we've experienced or felt or something like that, and have more of a conversation about it as well as studying that part, I guess, together, if that makes some sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and listeners like if I mean, you guys are probably smarter than us with doing this or what you want to hear, so if you have other ideas we'll listen.
Speaker 1:so before we get into what we've each pulled. I had something that I came up and I wanted to take advantage of dad being here and discuss um. So matthew, chapter 5, verse 31, through looks like 32 is on divorced. So it's short. I'll just read it real quick. It has been said anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. So I guess my question to that is and maybe it's a bigger question on how you read the bible but to me that's saying even so, you, you get a divorce due to sexual immorality. That woman gets married. Her husband cheated on her. They got a divorce, she gets remarried. The guy that married her is committing adultery, even though that's this one that's saying except for sexual immorality. So I assume allowing divorce through the church. Do you believe that? And I'm picking out the most specific yeah, you're starting with a tough one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, there's several things I think about that and I don't know if I'm right on any of them, but I'll tell you what I think. So first thing you got to think about is who's Jesus talking to and where are they coming from? And if you look at all of these things, murder is just before divorce in.
Speaker 4:Matthew 5. And then you get to divorce, you get to oaths, but if we stick with divorce, there were laws that said and he references that it's been said anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. So it was allowed under the Mosaic law for the Jews. One of the things I think is Jesus was raising the bar and saying look, there's a lot of you people running around here and you don't like this. You married this woman and you decide, ah, here, here's a certificate, I'm out. They were starting to cheapen it, when this is a bond before God, marriage, marriage is biblical. Now, if it was only a civil union in the court of you know, in the Morgan County Courthouse here, well, that's different. But this was a oath that you take to be her husband and her to be your wife in front of God, and they weren't taking it serious. And so Jesus raises the bar and he's like, look, uh, there are some reasons that you can get divorced. Um, and be okay with God. But you guys are running around making a mockery of this and that's not. And so, so when you think about that and then think about, uh, in the old Testament, when you, when you read about different um, I'll say characters, but they were people.
Speaker 4:Abraham, for instance. Abraham had a wife, sarah, but he also had a slave, mistress that he had a child with. But God loved Abraham, right? Abraham became the father of the multitudes. God promised him that your offspring will be like the sands and the stars.
Speaker 4:So divorce and adultery were happening. It doesn't mean God's approved of it, but he allowed it. And so I think that's the first thing. The second thing I think we get caught up. We all know somebody who's divorced. We just do it's very common nowadays, just do, it's very common nowadays.
Speaker 4:And so we get caught up in oh boy, are they going to hell? Because I mean, from what Jesus said, if I understand him right, that means that they're committing adultery Two divorced people or one divorced person and they get remarried and now that's adultery forever. Are they going to hell? Well, I don't believe so. I believe without God they would. But I believe this is my belief that if they remarry I'm not discounting what Jesus said, I'm in no way saying he didn't mean what he said. He did mean it but if you accept someone and you truly join with them, with God, as part of that bond, then I believe that it's not. It's kind of like if you sin and you ask for forgiveness for that sin, you realize that was wrong and that sin's not held over you. Sin is not in the world for God to beat you over the head with.
Speaker 4:God wants to forgive you. But I think what Jesus is saying here what he was saying because you've got to take this he's talking to a particular people. Now it's true. His words are true forever. But I think he was raising that bar of righteousness. Now we all know we are not righteous. We try to become righteous. That's one of our things as a Christian. We want to be more righteous, but we're never going to be perfect righteous. But Jesus is saying look, this bar is higher. It's kind of like the woman who's going to be stoned for committing adultery, right. And Jesus says but he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Speaker 4:He points out you know, if you've thought about another woman, you've committed adultery in your heart. He raises that bar. He doesn't then condemn them to hell, and he didn't condemn that woman to hell, but he did tell her now go and sin no more.
Speaker 4:He didn't say go and keep doing whatever you're doing. Go and keep committing adultery. But he did forgive her and he would forgive us as well. But the bar is high and we know that the law set the bar high. We know we can't keep the law. We're incapable of keeping the law, no matter how bad we want to.
Speaker 4:If we go back to the beginning of Matthew 5 in the Beatitudes blessed are the poor in spirit. What's that mean? Who are the poor in spirit? Well, the poor in spirit. So if you think about it in a monetary way, we have the working poor. What the government will tell you is poor, what's below the poverty line? So you're working poor, you've only got two cell phones and one car in central area. What the government will tell you is poor, what's below the poverty line? So you're working poor. You've only got two cell phones and one car in central area. You're working poor. Then you have the really poor who have nothing. Blessed are the poor in spirit, the poor in spirit. We have to admit that we have nothing spiritually. We have nothing to give. We can give God nothing except our love. We can't earn our way. If we think I don't know, we're not that bad, then we're not poor in spirit and we need to be poor in spirit. We need to accept that we are poor in spirit.
Speaker 4:And the very first beatitude says blessed are the poor in spirit. It doesn't say blessed are those who do good or blessed are those who have lots of money. It starts out with blessed are the poor in spirit. And so God wants to forgive us. So we get hung up on this divorce. It's like, well, jesus said right there, you're going to hell. No, he didn't say that. He said you're committing adultery. But we commit all kinds of sins every day. It's been described that our heart is a fountain of sin. We sin continuously even though we don't want to. But that's part of being poor in spirit. We don't want to, but we do and we recognize that.
Speaker 2:Do you have something? No, I was just going to kind of say it seems obviously like just a recurring theme through so far, the Sermon on the Mount, you know, with the salt and the light, the fulfillment of the law, murder, adultery, divorce, and up through the oaths, and then you have the eye for the eye and I think love for the enemies may be different. But those first what six or seven? They just seem like, like you said, a higher bar than what those before Jesus came to preach or was preaching this, and they just weren't taking it quite as serious. It just kind of died off slowly, slowly, slowly, Like, oh, we take it less serious.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say like each generation maybe, but like it just kind of got slowly less and less important. Maybe it's just from seeing it from other people and they just kind of took it less serious. And then it's like we're going to go above where that bar was set when Moses came, and we're going to go past that and higher, and maybe you guys will kind of catch on that this is serious, Like we're not, we can't play with this and obviously anyone, or Jesus would know that more than anyone.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I think that's right. I think Jesus is pointing out because he says I didn't come here. Where does he say Fulfill my law. Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them For truly, I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law, until everything is accomplished. But I think with these that follow exactly what you're saying. He's like we're not getting rid of the law, I'm restating it. You have heard the law, you know the law and you still set your cruise control at 72. That's minor, but that's what they were thinking, it's like well, it's minor, it's not
Speaker 4:that bad. I've seen other people do worse and we can develop that and adopt that attitude of well, if we all know that we're sinners and we sin every day, then this little sin I'm doing over here is not that bad. I didn't kill anybody. Well, one sin's enough to send you to hell and without God, if God turns his face away from you, you're in trouble. And so our struggle and we strive to not commit sins, even though we will. We have to accept that we will. We will fall and you get up and you dust your knee off and you kind of laugh at yourself, but you take it serious and you go okay, I did it again, I'm going to try again. I'm going, did it again, I'm going to try again. I'm going to try again. I'm going to try again, and if you're sincere in that, then God forgives you. If you're going, nah, he'll forgive me. Anyway. Do what I want.
Speaker 1:That's a different you know that's you don't have Jesus in your heart. If that's the way you're looking at the issue. I got a few other questions. We may never get to our actual bible study. To be honest, though, I know which I don't think's a bad thing, because the whole point of our podcast is three guys that are still learning and uh, we are madelines of the bible currently.
Speaker 1:Um, so first thing was so I didn't believe you. I guess you guys said the chosen was awesome. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure it's good, but it's not like, uh, breaking bad, good you know, because it's like you can't, I in my head, you can't compare and the way I thought was a real tv show. Yeah, okay, it's not seinfeld, good, you know. Um, which I started watching, freaking hilarious, uh, but it's really good. Yeah, I, I'm addicted to it. I know we're not supposed to be addicted to things, but hey, zen and the chosen probably not.
Speaker 4:And the chosen is a is a really good show you have to be a little careful, because not everything that's in the Chosen is exactly biblical. I think it's very good at grabbing people that maybe wouldn't be grabbed otherwise, and so I would encourage people to watch the Chosen and enjoy the Chosen, but I would encourage them to then go to the Word. Don't let it replace the actual.
Speaker 2:Don't let it become your Bible your cliff notes.
Speaker 4:It's a good starter, but nothing replaces God's Word, but it certainly. It is good and you can learn a lot. It puts things in a perspective and a context that you maybe didn't think about. We can read this on a flat piece of paper with flat words and sometimes forget that these people were living real lives, Right I?
Speaker 2:think that's what it does for me when I'm watching it I don't think about like in that show. I guess, for example, the Matthew coming into the group of disciples was a much bigger thing than just reading it in here In my head, seeing it and seeing obviously actors put some emotion to it. I think that's one thing that I get from that part.
Speaker 4:Yeah we forget they had everyday life struggles like we all do. I don't know if they fell three feet to the pavement or not, but they weren't just sitting around. What we read here is not their whole life. It's what God needed us to know so that we can struggle and strive to stay on the right path. But they had other things going on in their lives that they were dealing with, and you can forget that when you see something like the chosen.
Speaker 4:It kind of brings us like oh, yeah, maybe the context of why would they say that or why would they feel that way or why would they do that. Judas is the one We've probably all said why he's walking with Jesus. How could he do that?
Speaker 3:Judas is the one We've probably all said why he's walking with Jesus. How can he do that? Well?
Speaker 4:he had demons, like a lot of us do, so it is good.
Speaker 1:So that leads me into two out of my three questions. This might be a three-hour. We might do part one, two and three. First one, I want to get out of the way, just because it popped up how do you view the Bible when you're reading it? Is it literal, which to me is your safest way, or is it more of you have to look into the context? Or is it kind of this mix, because I've heard people they'll read something and be like all right, so it said this, but that's not at this time. That's what he was saying, but now, today, that doesn't really apply and I think that's dangerous. But I also I feel like there's probably some times in the Bible where, if you took it well to gouge out your right eye, did he? And maybe you could say in a way, if you're watching things you're not supposed to be, yeah, I guess gouging out your eyes is better than going to hell, you know, but that's not. I don't think that he's being completely literal, you know. So it's, how do you go about it?
Speaker 4:So I am more of a literalist. So I believe that God did create the world, the universe and beyond with a spoken word. I do believe that what the Bible says happened and what you know. I do believe that what the Bible says happened and. I do believe that Jesus walked on water all those things. But that being said, and so to use what you were talking about, gouging out your eye in a literal view I will use analogies, and so did.
Speaker 4:Jesus. I don't think Jesus wanted people running around gouging their eyes out. I think he was making a point that look if this makes you sin. If this causes you to sin, then you need to separate yourself from it.
Speaker 4:This makes you sin if this causes you to sin, then you need to separate yourself from it. He was using the. I think he was using the eye as a, you know, to drive home the point. But he could have said you know, if hanging out with this group of friends causes you to sin, phil Robertson style, you need to separate yourself from that group of friends. If having this iPhone with this internet on it causes you to sin, then you need to separate yourself from that group of friends. If having this iPhone with this internet on it causes you to sin, then you need to get rid of the internet or the iPhone. You need to separate yourself from sin.
Speaker 4:He says your right hand if it causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. Everything just because I look at the Bible in a literal sense, as believing what it says, doesn't mean that Jesus. Jesus was a man and he was preaching a message to other men, and so preachers do that all the time. Almost every sermon is a. It's never just reading from the Bible.
Speaker 2:It's almost like a call to action kind of thing.
Speaker 4:It's a scripture reading and then they'll put it into, they'll create an analogy that might catch somebody that's like oh, that makes sense or I get that now.
Speaker 4:Or, yeah, I've been there, where you've been through that experience and you can sympathize or empathize with that situation. So I take that as Jesus saying look, this is important, it's not just, eh, if you want to, it's important, and if something is causing you to do that, then you need to separate yourself from that. I don't think Jesus was actually asking people to mutilate themselves because, we're made in God's image, right, and our body is our temple.
Speaker 4:So why, then, would Jesus actually ask you to harm yourself? But he was making the point that, like you just did, it would be better to walk into heaven without hands or eyes than to walk into hell with everything. Well, yeah, fully intact and yeah, with abs.
Speaker 1:So that kind of led into my other thing from the Chosen and you kind of hit on it with that. Matthew's slowly becoming my favorite. I find him to be funny. I think I might get his jersey, his throwback jersey, his cloak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's funny to me because and this is where I don't know if there's historical accuracy with this, but he seems to be very matter of fact, um, which is where I struggled with the trinity.
Speaker 1:I think we've talked about that every episode at this point, um, but it's funny to see him helping jesus prepare his sermon on the mount and jesus asked him if there's anything he wants to change or something like that. And he's like he thinks about it and then goes on to go through this list of them and the thing that he's caught up on is salt of the earth and Jesus explains, kind of what you were just talking about, that some of these things need to be put this way to catch people's attention. And the other part is Jesus says and why can't you just let me have a little bit of poetic fun? I was like that's interesting, because I've always been like why can't you just tell me in these simple, dumb, dumb terms, because I've got this dumb, this dumb, dumb brain what I shouldn't be doing, what I should be doing and how I should act.
Speaker 4:But well, so that's what mosaic law was right. Do this, don't do that, do this don't do that, do this, don't do that.
Speaker 4:People are not very good with laws. Again, they'll set their cruise control at seven over because they think they won't get stopped. We're much better with relationships, and so that's what Jesus brought, and that's the kind of stuff in the Chosen that I'm talking about. There's nothing in the Bible that says that Jesus said hey, matthew, will you proofread my sermon on the mount? But they have to add those things. They do it for a couple of reasons. One for theatrics Matthew, will you proofread my Sermon on the Mount? But they have to add those things. They do it for a couple of reasons. One for theatrics, but another that it gives Jesus, the character Jesus, a chance to explain some things to the watcher. That if you just had Jesus giving the Sermon on the Mount and nothing leading up to it, you'd be like well, I can read that in the Bible. It doesn't, and so it gives them a chance. You know, it's kind of like, you know, bambi's mother getting killed early in the movie. Oh why?
Speaker 4:Well, so that they can show how you know the struggles things happen in shows that aren't necessarily in the Bible, but they need that to move the narrative. And I love the salt of the earth portion. To me it makes perfect sense. At the time salt was very valuable. I mean, soldiers were paid with salt and that's why we have the saying he's worth his salt.
Speaker 1:Do you read the same Bible study? I read. I don't know, but that was pretty good that you just said that, because that's exactly the Bible study. They were talking about the soldiers being paid in salt. Oh really.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean not just soldiers, but Rome had a lot of money and I don't know if you know this, but Rome isn't very close to the sea, so they got a lot of salt came from salt marshes.
Speaker 4:They weren't on the coast where they could dehydrate, let the sea water evaporate, collect salt that way, so it's very valuable, but if it doesn't taste salty, it's not very valuable. What good is it then? So I love these parables, analogies, all that stuff, because it was a way that Jesus could break it down to, to use your term, where our dumb, dumb brains could process. Some people still struggle with parables and that, and that's fine. And Jesus even said some won't get it. That's fine. And jesus even said some won't get it. Yeah, um, but I think if, if it was just here, it is well, it's again. We've talked about this before. It's so far above us what it?
Speaker 4:is what, the what, the real meaning of life, and where we're going, and all that. We couldn't understand it anyway. So we need it, broke down like this, uh, to be able to even kind of get a grasp and and stay on course. Otherwise we'd just we'd be heathens, we'd give up. You know you, you can only fail so many times before you go okay, I'm never going to get this, I give up All right.
Speaker 1:And finally, if my co-hosts don't mind, I know I've kind of hijacked this but so earlier you mentioned, cast the first stone, Like those without sin, go ahead and cast the first stone. So that reminded me. It's probably been two or three weeks now, but we went to a service. It's probably been two or three weeks now but we went to a service and the discussion overall was about how Christians can I don't know if it's tend to be, but can get to where they're kind of gatekeeping the church and thinking, well, I go to church and I can't believe those people don't and stuff like that and keep other people out or scare other people away by being that way, which I think is a very fair point.
Speaker 1:What I struggle with and I don't struggle because I think that because I go to church, I'm better, because I'm sure if you could look at a snapshot of my sins, you'd be like he's got a Christian podcast and he goes to church. He's just as bad as I am, which that's kind of the thing. Yeah, when I struggle is on social media. You see these woke pastors who are like hey, there's all this uh stuff that our sins and the bible says don't do because you go to hell, that's okay, we, we're, we're accepting. So where I just? Where do we draw the line?
Speaker 2:Hey everyone. We recorded about two hours here with David and as I'm editing this, we decided to cut this up into two parts for, hopefully, a better listening experience for you guys. So we're going to cut it off here, and next episode we will resume with that question from Brady. Thank you.
